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[molegogger]

I have been away from Razorback for a while. I used to be a beta-tester and got on everyone's nerves for correcting the English in the scenarios! I just thought that as everything else in RBR was the best to be found, then the level of English should be too. Just kidding - everyone was very patient about it.

But....

I have tired to install DualMap twice. After the first time I could see the map in Surveyor but no scenario would load. I Then found a reference somehere to remove piecemeal all the entires and try again. Result? I can't even start T2006 - and can't into the Managing Content thing. So I am going to uninstall and start afresh.

I have the original disk and SP1. And the 'essential' 2006 files. But I really want to staret from the VERY first scenario and work my way through them again. But I can't find them . not even under t2004.  What happened to JT01 etc, RB 01 etc? My records from the wonderful days of Despatcher and pass or fail criteria shows no fewer than 66 scenarios - the last I have is WSY 13.

And if anyone has any adive before I hit the unintall button do please let me know. I so want to get back into the new RBR.

Molegogger

[john259]

To get going, go to Info & Help > FAQ > Getting Started.

The old TLR (The Living Railway) scenarios for TRS2004 only are in Downloads > RBR TRS2004 > RBR T4 Scenarios (Closed). You may run into problems resolving all their dependencies. As these are now ancient history we can't offer any official help but you are very welcome to ask if another member can assist you.

You might prefer to ignore the TLR scenarios and concentrate on the modern activities instead. These work on TRS2004 and TRS2006, but for various reasons TRS2004 is a better choice.

For the Dual activities, you need all the files. It's quite a big download task. Dual also requires a powerful computer to do it justice.

Hope this helps, post again if you need more help,

John

[molegogger]

john259, on 10 December 2009 - 05:54 AM, said:

To get going, go to Info & Help > FAQ > Getting Started.

The old TLR (The Living Railway) scenarios for TRS2004 only are in Downloads > RBR TRS2004 > RBR T4 Scenarios (Closed). You may run into problems resolving all their dependencies. As these are now ancient history we can't offer any official help but you are very welcome to ask if another member can assist you.

You might prefer to ignore the TLR scenarios and concentrate on the modern activities instead. These work on TRS2004 and TRS2006, but for various reasons TRS2004 is a better choice.

For the Dual activities, you need all the files. It's quite a big download task. Dual also requires a powerful computer to do it justice.

Hope this helps, post again if you need more help,

John

[molegogger]

Thanks for your speedy reply John.

Well I can certainly do that. Just hope the map and all that stuff loads on re-installing Trainz! I've DLd all the eseential files and still have all the DualMap files. But I just can't work out what went wrong.

Somewhere onRBR I have seen that the files are self-extracting and don't require the services of Content Manager - and in others detailed instructions of committin new files. As the first attempt at least put the map in surveyor I am tempted to agree with the first.

I also have TS4 installed but have sort of ignored it. TS6 seems faster to me and all the scenarios have worked beautifully.

But .. crunch time. You don't think there is anything more I should do before hitting the delete button on TS6?

[john259]

molegogger, on 10 December 2009 - 06:06 AM, said:

Somewhere onRBR I have seen that the files are self-extracting and don't require the services of Content Manager - and in others detailed instructions of committing new files.

Just follow the instructions for each specific file and you should be ok.

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I also have TS4 installed but have sort of ignored it. TS6 seems faster to me and all the scenarios have worked beautifully.

If you prefer T6, keep with it. No problem! You can have T4, T6, TC, T9 and T10 all installed on the same computer at once, hard disk space permitting.

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But .. crunch time. You don't think there is anything more I should do before hitting the delete button on TS6?

If you've got any assets in T6 which you've created or downloaded and want to keep, back them up (unless you've got the downloaded CDP or EXE files of course). Now I have to apologise and admit to not knowing how to do asset backups in T6 http://razorbackrail...tyle_emoticons/default/sad.gif

John

[molegogger]

john259, on 10 December 2009 - 06:17 AM, said:

Just follow the instructions for each specific file and you should be ok.

If you prefer T6, keep with it. No problem! You can have T4, T6, TC, T9 and T10 all installed on the same computer at once, hard disk space permitting.

If you've got any assets in T6 which you've created or downloaded and want to keep, back them up (unless you've got the downloaded CDP or EXE files of course). Now I have to apologise and admit to not knowing how to do asset backups in T6 http://razorbackrail...tyle_emoticons/default/sad.gif

John

[molegogger]

Well as TS4 is intact, Plan B could be to try and install DualMap there. I seem to remember that on installation I am asked which version to install.

But I'm not sure the same thing won't happen again. As a matter of interest, I ended up somehow with 2 files of the same name (RBRDualAssets where one was 47.6MB and the other 132 MB) - that might be a clue for you.

Just to put you in the picture I intalled in the order Assets, Map, Rolling Stock 1&2

[OzBoz]

molegogger, on 10 December 2009 - 06:29 AM, said:

As a matter of interest, I ended up somehow with 2 files of the same name (RBRDualAssets where one was 47.6MB and the other 132 MB) - that might be a clue for you.

The correct file is 47.6MB.  What the other one is, I haven't a clue.

It sounds as if you have a good grasp on what is required, and that you did everything correctly, so what's gone wrong is a mystery.  As far as needing to commit or not, it basically comes down to the size of the file and the number of assets/dependencies it contains.  A single item of rolling stock, for example, will commit automatically via Larry's whiz bang installer, but when the file contains 20 or 30 items of rolling stock, that process is too slow and CMP is quicker, so the "commit" part of the installer is left to CMP.  Just by opening "Open for Edit" will let you know which is which.

If you do decide to reinstall T6 and SP1, make sure you back up any custom or downloaded content by moving the "Local" folder to your desktop, and move it back when you've reinstalled.  I can see a major problem with this however.  The RBR files you want to delete will also be in this folder, so somehow (and here is where T6 TC T9 falls down), you need to identify those files for deletion before you backup your Local folder, otherwise you'll just reintroduce the rubbish when you load the Local folder back in.

You could go the other way, and in CMP identify all the files you want to keep, and export them to your desktop as CDP files, then delete everything by reinstalling T6 over the top.  Then import the CDP's back into T6 via the CMP.  It depends on how much custom/downloaded material you have.  There could be an easier way, but not being a user of T6, I am not aware of it.

Hope you can understand my ramblings

Cheers

[puffingbilly]

molegogger, on 10 December 2009 - 06:29 AM, said:

Well as TS4 is intact, Plan B could be to try and install DualMap there. I seem to remember that on installation I am asked which version to install.

But I'm not sure the same thing won't happen again. As a matter of interest, I ended up somehow with 2 files of the same name (RBRDualAssets where one was 47.6MB and the other 132 MB) - that might be a clue for you.

Just to put you in the picture I intalled in the order Assets, Map, Rolling Stock 1&2

Hi molegogger,

If you intend to install into T6 you need to open CMP after installing the Map assets and then commit them - you also need to do this with both sets of the rolling stock assets as well. From memory Larry did post a warning at the time he prepared the installer for all the RBR Dual assets but I can't find any mention of it in the Q & A section   .

Cheers

Ron

[john259]

The files to which this applies should have the following note on their download pages:

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Please Note
If you are installing this file into TRS2006 you must follow the installation instructions contained in this FAQ article.

If anyone spots any files which should have this note and don't, please let me know.

I've added a few more pointers to that article in the FAQ, for example in the Getting Started list of essential articles for TRS2006 users and in the Phoenix installation system section.

John

[puffingbilly]

Hi John,

I can't quite recall the reason behind having to commit each large batch of assets   , but I do remember that people were having all sorts of issues if they tried to install all 4 packs without commiting them separately   (from memory I think not all the assets showed up?).

This article should alleviate the problem  http://razorbackrailway.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/cool.gif .

Cheers

Ron

[molegogger]

Wow thank you so much for all the help.

First I did read that installation article and followed it closely, committing the contents of each file after installation. As I said, the map was registered in Surveyor after the first attempt - but the scenario wouldn't load.

And I too had thought about your comment concerning the Local folder - take the crap out now and put it back later! I also saw an article listing every asset in those four files and went through each one in CMP deleting as I went - when possible (many are built-in). Took a whole day and didn't help. In fact when I tried to Launch TS6 afterwards my PC froze!

And with all the stuff I have from RBR I would have no idea what to keep and what to junk. Hence my idea of starting from scratch, reinstalling everything (and I know about SP1 being installed before I run TS6 for the first time!) and doing each scenario again - is this fun or what! - and regathering all the RBR assets as I go. But I must admit my heart will be in my mouth when I come to having another go at installinjg the DualMap!

But many. many thanks everyone.I haven't got much further but I don't feel a complete prat any more.

[john259]

If you run into any more problems, post again and keep asking until it's working for you. Happy driving,

John

[Jenolan]

molegogger, on 10 December 2009 - 07:27 PM, said:

But many. many thanks everyone.I haven't got much further but I don't feel a complete prat any more.

I reckon it is the other way around, TRS2006/CMP is a twisty bunch of passages that all look the same. That is the main reason I still reckon TRS2004/SP4 is the best Trainz at the moment to use (oh dear I can hear the hounds after me again).

TS2010 may be the beez kneez but until we (RBR developers & users) give it a spin it remains an unknown quantity, I am hoping it will be the true successor to TRS2004 otherwise we are going to start to degenerate being so far out of touch with the current version of Trainz, that being said I will be buggered if I will develop for something that doesn't work properly. So cross your toes and spin around three times and add to my hopes for a nice surprise.

Larry

[locoone]

Larry
  
  My head is usually spinning after a few hours of coding.
  You can add that also if it will help.
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[molegogger]

locoone, on 11 December 2009 - 11:56 AM, said:

Larry
  
  My head is usually spinning after a few hours of coding.
  You can add that also if it will help.
   Norm http://razorbackrail...tyle_emoticons/default/wink.gif

[molegogger]

Well I did it!

After uninstalling and re-installing T6 and SP1 plus the four Dual files everything is running as it should! And how you people put together something like that DualMap is beyond me.  

Why I encountered those problems will remain a mystery. Thank you so much for all your help.

Two final questions:

1) Why is DualMap so much more demanding on a PC than the Classic Map. Is it simply because of the extra set of rails?

2) What happened to the old depatcher system? By that I mean not being able to dl a new scenario until the previous one had been completed successfully - and with a rating. It was beautifully structured and gave s sense of progress and achievement.

[john259]

molegogger, on 12 December 2009 - 11:12 PM, said:

1) Why is DualMap so much more demanding on a PC than the Classic Map. Is it simply because of the extra set of rails?

I don't think the choice of track has much effect if any. My guess is it's because Dual has far more varied and dense vegetation. When Greg created the RBR Classic layout he concentrated on making it suitable for use on relatively low-end computers. When Gumbi made the Dual layout he had different priorities.

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2) What happened to the old dispatcher system? By that I mean not being able to dl a new scenario until the previous one had been completed successfully - and with a rating. It was beautifully structured and gave a sense of progress and achievement.

Many agree and mourn its loss, but dropping it was the only way to make our material compatible with TRS2006. Who knows, maybe one day a way will be found to do it again, which would be good. However, the enormous technical complexity of that shouldn't be underestimated and in any case we can only do what Auran's software makes possible.

Glad you got your setup all fixed - happy driving!

John